How Leaders Think with Kenny Lange

Jordi Falguera [00:00:00]:
It is a bit sad to see how many people go in the world without really asking themselves what is it that they do really, really want. Not what society tells me what I want. Not what the company expects me to do or what they tell me that I want, but rather, what do I want. There's this quote from Gene Carrey. I wish everybody were rich and famous and have everything they wanted so that they realize this is not the answer.

Kenny Lange [00:00:30]:
Welcome to the How Leaders Think podcast, the show that transforms you by renewing your mind and giving you new ways to think. I'm your host, Kenny Lang, and with me today is the Jordy Valguera. I got it. Look at me. I'm feeling international today. He is a C level mentor and strategic advisor at down to Earth Solutions. He's been in the corporate world for over 20 years and he's very interested in learning and personal development. I can attest to this.

Kenny Lange [00:00:58]:
It comes up in every conversation we have. He's also passionate about techniques and systems on how to be the best version of yourself. Welcome to the show, Jordy.

Jordi Falguera [00:01:08]:
Oh, thank you so much, Kenny. It's been a while, but I'm really delighted to be here.

Kenny Lange [00:01:14]:
I think we're going to have a lot of fun. But tell me what is on your.

Jordi Falguera [00:01:18]:
Mind at the moment? What's on my mind is how can I have more time with my wife and my daughter and related to that is how can I better choose the gigs and the projects that I, that I decide to work on so that, that is one of the accomplishments.

Kenny Lange [00:01:39]:
Gotcha. And I think that that's a. Obviously I've, I've shared on previous episodes, like I, I live in a zoo, essentially. Like I have five kids and a wife and three dogs and a cat.

Jordi Falguera [00:01:51]:
That's gonna be wild. Indeed.

Kenny Lange [00:01:52]:
I'm, I'm not, I'm not exaggerating on, on any of those things. Some people think that's hyperbole, but I've, I've also been wrestling with that, that pool between doing things professionally that interest me and, and fulfilling drives and goals and things like that, but also the, the desire for that, that deep connection with my, with my family and my loved ones. What have you found out? Whether it's, it's in business conversations, LinkedIn conferences, like the ones that you speak at. What is the current thinking or the prevailing wisdom about how to manage that tension?

Jordi Falguera [00:02:32]:
My take on this is generally if you, if you go into the corporate world, there is a common thread which is you start growing, you start climbing up the stairs. Of the career ladder and be where you ask for because you might eventually get it. And by mentoring some execs, C level large companies. One conversation I had a couple of weeks ago was that, hey, don't think this is so fun to be at this level because I am at a country where I don't necessarily want to be, my wife or my husband do not want to be here and therefore they're unhappy about that. And as a side note, I don't have any friends here. I just need to hang out with my peers at work. So the nice thing about after 20 years in the corporal world, going independent and allowing myself to choose who I want to work for and in what matter is that now there are some red lines that I never cross. And one of them is I want to spend time with my family.

Jordi Falguera [00:03:44]:
We had a daughter with my wife that's six years old now. At the moment, my decision was I'm not going to cross the Atlantic anymore because I thought that would be, that would be enough for me to spend time. But hey, I tricked myself. And then I realized, like, I could spend the whole week traveling throughout Europe and based in Barcelona. And then when I went independent and said that's not going to happen anymore. And that's one of the dimensions that I used for deciding whether I want to take a new gig or not.

Kenny Lange [00:04:17]:
Gotcha. Now, one of the things you had mentioned shortly before recording was this concept of a lighthouse. Can you talk describe that and talk about how that has been helpful to you and maybe how you're helping some of these executives you're mentoring with that?

Jordi Falguera [00:04:39]:
Sure. Believe it or not, it is a bit sad to see how many people go in the world without really asking themselves what is it that they do really, really want. Not what society tells me what I want, not what the company expects me to do, or what they tell me that I want. Not bonus, not personal professional growth and new positions, et cetera, but rather, what do I want? And yeah, sometimes rich and famous and have everything I want, et cetera. There's this quote from Gene Carrie. I wish everybody were rich and famous and have everything they wanted so that they realize this is not the answer. And that's something I learned about a few years ago. And I realized there are a few things that are key pillars for me and I want to.

Jordi Falguera [00:05:31]:
To keep close to me every time that I work, because working requires very often at least half of your working time. And it's a relevant thing. And I came up with this idea of lighthouse or of Compass So that every time that I was either talking to a client and or being offered new opportunity to work, et cetera, I would contrast that against this compass and think, okay, does it relate to what I really want to do? And that helps me make better decisions, at least make decisions that are more consistent to what I want to achieve.

Kenny Lange [00:06:13]:
In my life, which, and I love that. And one of the reasons why I love it is I have an affinity for it because I help companies like when I'm working with nonprofits or some of these more purpose driven businesses we talk about from a corporate pers. And I don't mean that as like big, like big business, corporate, but just meaning in the strictest definition of the word, like corporately is as the collective that you need to find the things that matter to you, that are how you're wired so that everyone makes decisions in a way that aligns. Now, in the system and soul framework that I use, I call that a roadmap. And we have something that is also called a personal roadmap. But as you and I were talking just before you said that, you would also see a difference between what a personal roadmap would entail and maybe what this compass or this lighthouse concept would entail. Can you contrast those for me?

Jordi Falguera [00:07:20]:
I can tell you what I think a personal roadmap looks like, at least in my head, versus what I what a personal compass looks like. For me. A roadmap entails time. So and entails milestones. First you get here and then once I, I accomplish this, then I, I grow and then try something else and then I grow or I'm in this position and then I want to try and, and, and now I have people reporting to me or now I want to you have more responsibility and multiple countries, etc. So that, that is somehow in my head a, a list of interest or potential achievements you can, you can get to. While compass is more of directional, tells me what are my pillars, what are the things that I want to protect and I want to make sure that are taking place as my life goes by. Let me give you an example.

Jordi Falguera [00:08:23]:
In my head, personal roadmap might be now I want to, as we talked in other conversations, I'm growing a business. I want to see whether that business is profitable and then successful. And then in the future I want to study something else and then learn a new language. So that might be roadmap for me. While compass has to do with. At least my compass has four key dimensions. One is whenever I'm working, I don't want to be stressed. I just want to have some time for me and have time to think.

Jordi Falguera [00:08:57]:
I've been stressed for many, many years, and I don't operate that when I'm stressed. So that's one dimension. If there's a company that asked me to come join them, et cetera. And I know that's too stressful. No, this is a red line for me, not. Not applying for it. Second is this is indispensable. I need to feel that I am learning every time, and not everybody does need that.

Jordi Falguera [00:09:26]:
But in my case, if I do something and then I feel stuck and I'm not learning, I get bored and then I get frustrated because I'm not learning. And that's pretty much the opposite to what companies need in many cases, because companies need somebody to learn. And then once you learn something, then you just do it repeatedly. You just execute and execute. The third one is high value, being able to make real impact, not just being there and doing what others think is valuable, but rather, am I. Am I sensing that I'm adding value? And the fourth one has to do with family time. So one is personal time for me. The other one is since my daughter was born.

Jordi Falguera [00:10:15]:
I want to take her to school, I want to pick her up from school. I want to have time with my wife every week. At least once during the weekdays, we have lunch together, and then we have time for our conversations. And then there are these extra that are probably not red lines, but I want to meet interesting people. So if I'm in the corporate world and I don't change positions and I don't move from there, it's pretty much always meeting the same people. And last one is, I want to feel that whatever I'm doing is lasting throughout time. So it's not something that changes three months from now. And those things, those dimensions help me significantly when.

Jordi Falguera [00:11:00]:
When I get confronted with new opportunities.

Kenny Lange [00:11:04]:
I love all of that. The concept as well as your own personal ones, because a lot of those resonate with me as well. How do you think about those things like the compass and then the items on your compass? How do you see those as being different from, say, core values, which I know you've probably seen a lot of different versions of and stuff in your corporate experience? How do you make sense of the compass with core values? Because I could see potentially some overlap.

Jordi Falguera [00:11:39]:
Oh, there's definitely overlap for me. Core values have to do with family, has to do with friendship and being present and enjoying time with others. And there might be others, other core Values like being loyal or having time to think these sorts of aspects. At the same time, some of them are more of intrinsic core values. I see them as what's. What defines me. And compass is more of some sort of rule of thumb for when something pops up if I want to decide to pursue it or not. Even I have quantified each of the items in this compass and then I just get the number.

Jordi Falguera [00:12:27]:
So this opportunity is a 7 out of 10. Not taking it well. Depend if I have enough workload, but that allows me to better choose. And also being more aligned and also being more relaxed when it comes to professional and core sounds sounds more like what defines me, what are my values as a person.

Kenny Lange [00:12:54]:
Gotcha. Yeah. So it really gets to the heart of your identity, whereas the compass is more about your pragmatics. Yeah, yeah. Like what are the things I will and not do? And certainly the core values influence some of that. I don't hear you saying that. Those are totally disconnected, but they can be used separately in the way that you make decisions. And for you it sounds like core values also do a lot more to govern relationships than it does like performance, task, work related type things.

Jordi Falguera [00:13:29]:
That's right.

Kenny Lange [00:13:31]:
So when someone is operating without a compass, what, what's the cost of that? Like somebody may be listening to this, say, Jordy, this sounds great. All those things sound beautiful. Good for you. I don't know what that means for me or would that really help me all that much? I find the most deceptive things are those things that are almost like opportunity costs. Like we don't know until we try a different way. Like you could say, I'm going to make more sales calls so I'm going to get more sales. People can understand that. But I think a lot of times they don't understand stripping away or simplifying or putting boundaries around things and what that's costing them by not living that way.

Kenny Lange [00:14:18]:
Can you speak to that?

Jordi Falguera [00:14:20]:
Yes, absolutely. It cost me 20 years and a daughter to realize that life's short and you, you do a bunch of things and then you get old and then, and then you die. And what? There was this time where my daughter was born. I had decided I didn't want to cross the Atlantic for a while because I wanted to spend time with her. And still I was very busy. Waking up at 3:30 in the morning and then go to Frankfurt and then spend the whole day there and then back. And then as I was waking up, she was sleeping when I was flying back and I was getting back home. She was sleeping.

Jordi Falguera [00:15:04]:
So I started missing she standing up for the first time. She mumbling the first words and like nope, nope, nope, nope. I don't want to miss that. And that's when I started having in my head this idea of wait a second, what is valuable to me. Until then I did not ask myself that deeply enough. Therefore the rest of players would decide what is valuable for me. And what society says is just be productive, just do something, work for somebody else, do what the company says is just grow and then have more responsibility and take it and be committed for the company, etc. When I did that exercise and it took me several months, I realized wait a second, what is valuable for me is this, this, this and that.

Jordi Falguera [00:15:59]:
And somebody not having done this exercise, it might be, might be not that you go blindfolded and that you follow somebody else's lead, but you don't realize. And there is something that is very striking to me. There's this work from a nurse from the UK that was based in Australia that she wrote a book called the five Regrets of the Dying. You heard of it?

Kenny Lange [00:16:27]:
Yeah, actually I have, I've not read it, but I have heard it mentioned.

Jordi Falguera [00:16:32]:
Never mind, never mind. She talks about five dimensions that when we are close to dying we might, we might think of and. And she was palliative cancer nurse, so she was asking these questions to these people. The first one, the one that struck me the war the most is I wish I had life true to myself, not the life others expected from me. And then I put myself in my deathbed and thought how sad if I'm whatever years old and there's nothing else I can do. And I turned back and realized I didn't do what I wanted to do. I did what people expected me to do. I did what people told me to do, not what I wanted to do.

Jordi Falguera [00:17:30]:
And it became so profound for me that I decided not, no, that's not going to happen. That's why every day, every week I pay attention to it.

Kenny Lange [00:17:43]:
That is so good. And now I'm going to go and add another book to my Amazon list.

Jordi Falguera [00:17:50]:
Just imagine this. Just imagine being there and feeling that you had one opportunity and sorry to get you a bit emotional, but you had one opportunity and you misused that opportunity and there's nothing you can do about it now.

Kenny Lange [00:18:11]:
Yeah, sorry, I. The. It comes at an interesting time. I've actually been reflecting a lot on that. I'm not sure if you saw on LinkedIn. My father in law recently passed away.

Jordi Falguera [00:18:23]:
Yeah.

Kenny Lange [00:18:23]:
From cancer. And was under palliative care and hot and was here. And hospice, who were the hospice team, was just phenomenal. But I've been reflecting a lot on what really does matter to me, like what will I want said of me when, when I'm in that position. It was, it was just striking to me, the number of people who showed up, sent text messages, emails, Facebook messages, things like that. Just saying what an impact he had on their, on their life. Just the kindness that he showed them. And he was never a rich man, but by financial standards.

Kenny Lange [00:19:13]:
But once he put alcohol behind him, just became this wonderfully compassionate man. And now he's got this great reputation in this heritage and his kids and his grandkids think really well of him and have this high opinion and they're always going to remember him in this high place. And it's made me think for all the drive I have, what does that amounted to? I have some great accomplishments and certainly I'm proud of things I've done. But as I've shared in a couple of talks recently, there's a cost to that because essentially when you just, and I don't mean to go on a rant here, but there, there is this false sense, false sense that your personality is who you are and, and really your personality is a survival mechanism and puts you to sleep like you're, you're on autopilot. Kind of like what you were talking about is you're blindfolded and you're being led. And so often that's what a personality does. And, and I don't begrudge anybody who's operating that way. We all do.

Kenny Lange [00:20:26]:
But at some moment I think we step into what you're describing as. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. This. Okay. I'm glad that the way I've lived and the way I've done something has been meaningful to some people, but has it also been meaningful to me in the Venn diagram of life? And who doesn't love a good Venn diagram?

Jordi Falguera [00:20:49]:
The icky guy or the.

Kenny Lange [00:20:50]:
Whatever. Yeah, or, yeah. Or you look at Jim Collins with the hedgehog concept. He does a variation for individuals and which I think that there's a short video on YouTube about that if anybody's interested. But it's just, yeah, I could be good at it. And maybe I was making money at it, but was I also passionate about it? Did it, did it help me reach those long term goals? And those are a lot of the things I'm hearing you say and I think are. And, and there's a recency bias for me. But I think that there's such an importance on getting clear on that.

Kenny Lange [00:21:28]:
Stephen Covey talks about begin with the end in mind. We talk about reverse engineering things.

Jordi Falguera [00:21:35]:
Yes.

Kenny Lange [00:21:35]:
And what I hear you describing is really, let's reverse engineer our life or.

Jordi Falguera [00:21:40]:
The key value in our life. Yes.

Kenny Lange [00:21:42]:
Or the key values. Yeah. Like let's not. Not that you have to plan every moment, every decision, but if we say these things should guide me and most likely are going to lead to a life that was meaningful, it was impactful, it was valuable to me, it was valuable to others and balanced those relationships and the results that you wanted to create over the course of your life. Because as you mentioned, life isn't all that long. It's here and it's gone.

Jordi Falguera [00:22:12]:
Yes. And also related to this recency bias, one aspect that I realized is when you come up with something that is valuable for you for some time, that is the go to thing. That is what helps you think about later on if you don't reflect on it or keep thinking about it and growing into it. This might be like the compass of the year or the compass of the month, but you don't do anything about it. You tend to forget. Again, it's so strong the force, the energy that moves you into the being unconscious or not paying attention that you need to. Same as with faith and prayers, you pray every day because every day you want to stay connected to that. If when you don't do that, you forget.

Jordi Falguera [00:23:10]:
And how sad to get to the end of your life and realizing that you forgot about yourself, that you were living outward for others, but you were not living for you or you were not paying attention to your needs or your accomplishments or what you wanted to. Who you wanted to become.

Kenny Lange [00:23:36]:
Yeah. What you were just saying reminds me of a conversation I had last night with a friend. And she's in the process of launching her first for profit business. She's launched a nonprofit before, but now she's launching a for profit that helps non profits get started.

Jordi Falguera [00:23:55]:
Yeah.

Kenny Lange [00:23:56]:
And she was saying like look, I just, I feel like misunderstood these things and I screwed this up and trying to get to launch and all. And she's just, she's beating the hell out of herself as a lot I think high performers are prone to do if we're being honest. I know I'm prone to that. And I asked her, I said I know you well enough to know that you're a very, very loyal person and very, very connected. She's a great caretaker of her friends and I Said would you ever let someone talk to one of your friends the way that you are talking to yourself? And she goes absolutely not. And said, then why would you talk to yourself that way? And similar to what you're saying is like we would do all these things and then that would take care of and be meaningful to all these others around us, but never include ourselves. And one of the things I would love for you to touch on is that maybe counters what I hear a lot in at least popular media is this self care and I got to do me and I got to do this. And it's almost like steering into the other ditch of just, it's, it's selfishness and self or self centeredness in the name of self care and taking care of some of yourself.

Kenny Lange [00:25:32]:
I hear you talking about a both and not an either or. Can you address that?

Jordi Falguera [00:25:39]:
Yeah, it's, it's interesting that you mentioned that because when I, when I'm doing my trainings in personal productivity, one of the aspects that I see people failing miserably at is, and many of you that will listen will probably refer to that or connect to that is you have your calendar and your calendar has some slots and then those slots are being filled by others because they send meeting invites. And then, and then what happens is we feel guilty when we block a slot for ourselves to think, just think. And then we feel we shouldn't be doing that. Or I tell them like just put your headphones on, just act as if you're in a meeting, let's record, put it as a video and then think because you need that. The reason I'm connecting it to that is what I tell them in those trainings is I refer them. And it's funny that it's the second time that I'm putting a reference to religion, but I'm telling them Jesus said love the others the same way as you love yourself, not love others more than you love yourself. When you love others more than you love yourself, you forget about yourself. You cannot be the best, your best version when you love yourself too much so that you don't care about others and you don't care about the impact or consequences that others might experience from your actions.

Jordi Falguera [00:27:04]:
That is also not helpful. But having this balance of yes, I want to help you, but I also want to have time for me. So sometimes do not get mad if I don't reply to the WhatsApp during the same day. Do not get upset if I tell you, yes, we can meet, but it's going to be in two weeks or any. Because that is in a way that is self respect and that is trying to care for others but while also caring for ourselves.

Kenny Lange [00:27:37]:
I really appreciate that. I've actually within my church, when I teach or preach or something, bring up the same thing is how can you love your neighbor if you hate yourself? Like, you either need to start loving yourself more or I guess you need to hate everybody. You got to balance that out. And that's a tough. I think that's a tough tension to manage. But I think tough tensions help create strong leaders, strong people. Right. It's rarely either or.

Kenny Lange [00:28:14]:
It's. It's a balancing of the tension and figuring out where in that tension is right for you and how might that shift? Like, you, you're. You talked about scheduling on. I'll mention a tool here in a second that's really been helpful to me and avoiding some of that guilt because I felt that very thing like who am I? And. Or fear of missing the next big deal that you're going to close because you booked it and they're like, oh, you're not available till next week. Like, oh, I guess I could cancel lunch and this time to plan and.

Jordi Falguera [00:28:52]:
All this other time with the kids. Yes.

Kenny Lange [00:28:54]:
Or time with the kids. And you're saying I'm doing it for the kids right there. Like, yeah, it's easy to believe. And I'm not saying it's 100% false, but it may not be as true as we would lead ourselves to believe. I know I deal with that quite a lot, so I forgot the other point I was going to make. But the tool that has been incredibly helpful is a tool called Reclaim AI.

Jordi Falguera [00:29:21]:
Yes.

Kenny Lange [00:29:22]:
And it has been the way that it's developed and it is different from say, like I know that there's motion AI which helps and that I think that one's probably a much better one for like productivity and team scheduling and staying on top of that. But Reclaim it almost is like a AI executive assistant. And I've gone in there and said, what are the things that I want to do? The compass piece of I want to exercise regularly just because that I know that I'm my best self when that is happening on a regular basis. Just the way I think and the way I show up, Prayer and meditation, reading my Bible. Those things are important. So I'm calendaring it now. Do some things get moved around? Yes. And this is where I love the fact that instead of manually carrying this cognitive burden of like, how do I shift everything is I can play something and it knows the priority or the importance to me and just finds the next slot.

Kenny Lange [00:30:25]:
And so now I actually have people who use meetings links and I use HubSpot, but I know there's calendly and acuity and probably a dozen others. Those people have to schedule around the tasks that I have said or the practices that I have said are important to me. And it felt really weird and I felt very guilty when I implemented this several weeks ago. I just, I took inventory at the beginning of July and did my own little personal quarterly reflection and said I, I'm not really happy with the way this is going. Similar to like what you said. I need to put those boundaries in place and be flexible. But I put them in place. And ever since then I feel my capacity to handle all that life is throwing at me.

Kenny Lange [00:31:14]:
Lately has been much better. My thinking for the most part has been clear. I've been a lot more connected with my kids and my wife and my dogs, but not the cat. And it's been surprising though. And so I'm looking forward to continually refining that and feeling less and less guilty that I'm missing out on the next great deal or the next big meeting or connection or something like that. And just saying, you know what? I need time for this so that it can be a hundred percent wherever I'm showing up. Which in as knowledge workers, you and I. Yeah.

Kenny Lange [00:31:54]:
That is we, we gotta treat our brain like a, like a professional athlete would treat their body because that's how we make our living. Except it's harder because we don't see it. We don't see the muscle. Like we can go to the gym and see like okay, I'm a little, little stronger. But when we don't get enough sleep, when we don't make time for things that energize us, when we don't drink enough water, when we don't take care of our nutrition, things like that, it tax this organ that is really where we're making a living, making a difference, building connections. So rant over. Sorry, but no worries. It's something I'm deeply passionate about, but have really struggled with.

Kenny Lange [00:32:33]:
And it's been really refreshing to hear a lot of the things that you've been sharing. I feel less like an idiot.

Jordi Falguera [00:32:39]:
You know what, Kenny? Don't feel like that. Guilt and the inability to say no are the big drivers for people to let others use times of their. Of, of their working time, of their working schedule that they don't want them to be used. So the problem is. And then through 20 years of teaching, personal productivity and stuff like that. No, the problem is not the tool or the technique. The problem is dealing with your own feeling that you should be doing that for others versus deciding no, I want to have time for myself. I want to protect this wonderful organ that you just mentioned.

Jordi Falguera [00:33:31]:
Saying no to others somehow implies saying yes to yourself and paying attention to every time you feel forced or you feel that you need to do something but you don't feel like it, you're saying yes to somebody else and you're saying no yourself.

Kenny Lange [00:33:50]:
Yeah, yeah. That makes me think of the book, the Coaching Habit. I don't know if you've come across that. And one of the questions in there, because there's seven critical questions. I recommend that book to everybody. But he talks about the trade off question. If you're saying yes to this, what are you saying no to?

Jordi Falguera [00:34:09]:
No, that's right.

Kenny Lange [00:34:10]:
Nothing's ever done in a vacuum. And so understanding the trade offs of those decisions, I think can be a great gateway to alleviating the guilt or the fear that you may feel. But I think can also bring clarity to your decision making. Overall, I feel like we could. There's 14,000 things that we could go over and have a blast doing it. Well, I haven't created my version of the Joe Rogan podcast where I can go three hours, but never mind.

Jordi Falguera [00:34:39]:
You're in your way. Yeah.

Kenny Lange [00:34:42]:
Jordy, if someone wanted to take a step towards not living by autopilot, but instead living by a compass, what's a first step someone could take in the next 24 hours with little to no money to make progress?

Jordi Falguera [00:35:00]:
Yeah, always it's little to no money because it's about thinking differently. I'll tell you the first two or three steps that I would, that I would, that I would do. So you cannot change something unless you become aware that something is not in line to what you want. So first one is awareness. You get more awareness by you just download from your phone an app that or pill reminder or some sort of reminder that at several times a day just beeps and then makes you think, was I, was I happy? Am I, am I doing what I, what I want to be doing? Something like that, that, that is a way to confront how I'm feeling at the moment and what, what I'm doing versus is this related to how I want my life to be?

Kenny Lange [00:35:53]:
Sort of like a self check in self checking.

Jordi Falguera [00:35:57]:
Yeah. But use this external tool as a notifier or something because otherwise the autopilot takes over everything.

Kenny Lange [00:36:05]:
Get you One of these, a little feelings wheel that'll help you.

Jordi Falguera [00:36:09]:
There you go. There's one called Moodle or Mood, I don't remember which is every time that there's check in and then you can choose whether you're happy, sad or angry or something like that. And then throughout the week you can check how frequently I was feeling that emotion. It's not necessarily about the emotion itself. It's about is this aligned to how I want to live. Answering this question from Bronnie Ware, this woman Is this the life that I want to live for myself or is this something that I'm doing because others expect me from doing that? And then some ideas will start to come up. Just take note of those ideas when you go to sleep. Doesn't matter.

Jordi Falguera [00:36:57]:
And that will be the foundations for being able to create the compass. The compass is the second or third step. We're not trying to create the compass or just try but just know that you will have to go through it and iterate several times until there's something that clearly reflects what you want to achieve. But without self awareness you cannot move forward 100%.

Kenny Lange [00:37:23]:
Actually gave a talk on, on that yesterday using I think that's a great starting spot with the self check in with the mood and and then just reflecting back over it over the course of a week. A lot of people use that for changing their diet for product personal productivity like doing the time like where did I spend all my time this week and then go yes. Ah well I might be wasting a few hours. It's like Facebook for six hours a day. What? I didn't get anything done. So I think that that's a great place to start. Jordy, this has been a phenomenal conversation. If somebody wanted to know more about you, more about down to Earth solutions or maybe had some follow up questions, where can they connect with you and find out more about you?

Jordi Falguera [00:38:09]:
Yeah, pretty much down to Earth is the company from my wife and I. So they can reach out to LinkedIn directly. I'm very pleased to reply and I'm also with lots of ideas and coming up with new things every day. So happy to reply. Reach out over LinkedIn and I'll be pleased to respond and happy to have also a virtual coffee conversation with anybody that's interested.

Kenny Lange [00:38:35]:
Absolutely. Yep. So go we'll, we'll put the link to your LinkedIn in the show notes. But thank you again and thank you to the to all you listeners. I don't do this show just because I all I do enjoy it. I get something out of this, but I also do it because I hope it's delivering value to you. But you can help me shape the show and let me know if this is meaningful by liking, rating, reviewing, subscribing, whatever the right button is on the platform of your choice. And leave a review, leave some feedback if there's some things that you'd love to hear or somebody you'd love to hear from.

Kenny Lange [00:39:09]:
Doing that also gets the show a little bit more attention and the algorithm. And you never know. This may be the thing that helps fellow leader find the conversation that unlocks their next step, and that would be just a wonderful way to pay things forward. But until next time, change the way you think will change the way you lead. We'll see you.

Jordi Falguera [00:39:30]:
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